Is myBB a CMS?

The following off topic discussion about whether myBB is a CMS has been split off a a discussion thread "Professionals, what's the going rate for building a Website?" in the Website Development & Design Forum. I find it an interesting discussion, as I always thought that myBB was a CMS. On the other hand I can see CHT's point of view too. In your opinion is myBB a CMS and if yes, or no, give us the reason for your point of view.
Genesis

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(12-22-2016, 07:49 AM)strokerace Wrote: You guys are off in so many ways and been watching too many bad 80's shows. First off, sites don't get hacked because they copied and paste code. Trust me, its one thing I look for. 2nd, You need to understand what a website is and what its being used for.

I wasn't going to commnet any more as you are too younge to actually understand what this is about. You are mixing building a website with building an App/Program/CMS. 2 very different things altogether. You are mixing up your projects.

Yes, there are coders who write code, but they don't write code to build a website. Again, these are 2 very different things.

Yes, people write code for stuff like MyBB, but that is not building a website. 2nd, people use that code to make their website. Again, 2 different things. Again, its how 97% of people build websites now. That is what they call copy and paste,using a template etc. Figured you would have clued in with all the references to Wordpress, PHPbb etc. Do businesses use that, yes they do. There thousands of them out there. Maybe you should go to a business website and look at the source code of them, you will see what they actually use.

Now lets say you are business like lets say a bank. They don't hire private coders to build their sites. They are part of a team employed by the banks and work with them daily. The same goes with most big businesses like that. Now Joe blows business website, majority of them are cookie cutter code that is all over the net.

Now lets get into a CMS like PHPbb, MyBB, Vbulletin, all the same code. Its PHP, now body came up with new code for them. They just took the base code, altered it added some different features, removed some functions etc. Some give the code away for free and some require a license to use it. The guys who wrote them, are rarely ever paid. The security breaches and fixes are from contributors for the code. Again, no one is paid to do it.

You can claim all you want that someone wrote something, but its not their code, PHP is not anyones code and can not be copy righted in any way. The only thing they can claim to themselves is the design or layout of the code. The images etc they can. I went through this with a laywer already over some game that I worked on. I have the source code for the game and threated to release it under my name for the work I did on it to fix and the ower refused to pay me after it was done. He threated to sue me. He had no leg to stand on as its written in php. I can use the code any way I like, as long as I changed the name of the game and the images.

So, kick,cry scream or do what ever you want, no one writes new code any more, nor do they do they make anything new. Its just rework of old work.

As for the comment for MyBB, I wrote a CMS at the same time as MyBB came out. Mine wasn't as robust and didn't have all the same features. So back in 2006 after I redid it to use divs and took away the tables, I retired from doing it any more.
How ever, some of the orignals devs on, did a fork of the code and add some new things to it. They are still working on it and not many people know about it. Under the license agreement, I get the source of it and I can use it and alter again. Thats why I like Open Source, its allows users to alter it to their needs.

This is the fork of my code
http://strokerace.gi9.co/

Websites can get hacked for blindly copy-pasting code, especially if it's related to the security of the site. So for example, copy-pasting a "default" security code without adjusting it for your site makes it useless, since it doesn't target the needs of your site.

A CMS IS a website though. You're confusing desktop apps and web apps. Web apps are sites in a way, since you can only access them via a browser. You're the one mixing up stuff.

Uh, they do. Every page you create(even using visual tools) is writing code. So your argument here is debunked.

myBB isn't a website once deployed? At this point, I'm pretty sure you have no clue what you're digging yourself into. Also, I've seen source code on a browser compared to source code on the actual host. I assure you it can be totally different. Finally, no decent business will use Wordpress, unless they are sure it can be secured tightly.

*facepalm*

Uh what? If no one pays for stuff like CMS, I'm pretty sure most of the packages we have currently wouldn't exist in their current state. Also, the examples you have given are all NOT CMS stuff. I'm assuming you're just someone trying to show off as knowledgeable but really isn't.

Then do tell me why copyrights exist on stuff like myBB, which is PHP for reference. As I quote from their website:

Quote:All rights granted under this License are granted for the term of copyright on the Program, and are irrevocable provided the stated conditions are met. This License explicitly affirms your unlimited permission to run the unmodified Program. The output from running a covered work is covered by this License only if the output, given its content, constitutes a covered work. This License acknowledges your rights of fair use or other equivalent, as provided by copyright law.

Just like how most music is anyway. I had to include that reference.

As I said above, myBB is NOT a CMS.
I wonder why, maybe because it's a lesser "version" of myBB?